Off label update:
Ozemipic’s new indication, what does it mean for type 1 diabetes management?
There are two massive money makers in the pharmaceutical space these days, type 2 diabetes and Cardiovascular disease. With diabetes diagnosis rates climbing year after year, and heart disease being the number one cause of death in the US, this is not surprising. This population also typically overlaps. A major complication risk for people with diabetes is an increased risk for heart disease. Heart attack and heart failure rates are 4x higher in people with diabetes than the general public. Elevated blood sugars can cause triglyceride levels to rise in the blood, which can put us at higher risks for development of blockages and plaques in blood vessels, so blood sugar management is key. However, the two most popular and effective medications that we have used to treat high blood sugars have also carried side effects of the potential to increase heart disease risk (Specifically basal insulin and sulfonylureas). Finding medications that are not only heart disease risk neutral but can reduce heart disease risk is the ideal.
What are the 2 most popular and effective medications to treat high blood sugars that increase heart disease risk?
We have had an SGLT2 medication called Empaglifolozin.
This medication has had an indication to reduce heart failure in persons with Type 2 diabetes by reducing fluid volume retained in the body which also reduces blood pressure. This medication has also been a standout in the industry for having shown a reduction in repeated incidence in hospitalizations in people with established heart disease. Studies on most diabetes medications excluded participants with existing heart disease diagnoses and measured occurrences of new disease onset or events. But the Empagliflozin included persons with preexisting heart disease in their study data, and were this allowed an indication of not only preventing, but reducing occurrences of cardiovascular events.
We have also had liraglutide approved to reduce Heart disease risks.
However, Recently Novonordisk announced an additional indication for their GLP-1 medications Ozempic to “reduce the risk of major adverse cardiovascular events such as heart attack, stroke or death in adults with type 2 diabetes and known heart disease.” This medication works by slowing gastric emptying which can reduce post prandial blood sugar spikes. Another helpful effect of this slowing is that we remain feeling full longer so it can help in weight management. Ozempic also stimulates insulin production to help maintain blood sugars in target range more effectively.
In 2019 we saw the FDA refuse to approve SGLT2 medications for people with type 1 diabetes due to DKA risk concerns, though this medication has been approved in the EU for years. GLP1 medications are also not indicated for use in the treatment of type 1 diabetes, however this medication can be helpful as people with Type 1 also have been shown to produce less of a hormone called incretins. This means that we often struggle with more rapid gastric emptying that can cause post meal blood sugars to rapidly climb. We also are more likely to struggle with increased appetite and reduced satiety due to these reduced incretin levels. As people with Type 1 we also may see an increased glucagon release after meals that we are not able to regulate leading to rapid post meal blood sugar spikes. GLP1 medications can offset these issues to help us keep post prandial blood sugars down.
An additional benefit for people with type 1 diabetes would be that reduced post prandial blood sugars can reduce total daily insulin use. This reduced insulin use combined with increase satiety can help us with weight management, a very complex struggle in Type 1 management.
Side effects of GLP-1 medications are primarily gastric, including nausea, diarrhea or constipation. These typically go away over a week or so at a steady dose and doses should be titrated up over months to avoid intense side effects. When starting these medications people with type 1 should expect digestion times to increase. This can be offset with using longer absorption times in Loop, using extended boluses on pumps, or splitting bolus doses with injection therapy. A reduction in bolus dose may also be needed.
Because these medications are not approved for use by persons with type 1 diabetes doctors may be hesitant to prescribe but approaching the conversation with education can help us partner with our prescribers well. Insurance companies may require a prior authorization from your prescriber.
The physiological truth is that diabetes is not black and white, type one or type 2. Most of us fall along the spectrum with type 1 with features of type 2 diabetes. So remaining open minded to the ability of medications for type 2 diabetes helping us manage type 1 can be really helpful.
Ozempic side effect is kidney damage. How do we choose which to wait for? Diabetes can cause kidney damage and so can ozempic? What do most endocronologists think about it?
A with all medications we have to look at individual risk factors and what side effects the individual sees.
Renal impacts of Ozempic are not a typical side effect and rates of renal impact are far lower than those i chronic hyperglycemia of most people. However those with current or history of renal issues need to discuss this with their doctor and monitor renal function while using Ozempic. Fortunately this is why we expand our diabetes management tool box. there is no one tool fits all strategy.
I have been a type 1 diabetic for 43 years now that I’m in menopause it’s like hitting a brick wall with blood sugars it seems carbs I need way more insulin and blood sugars are becoming very hard to maintain because of the hormonal changes my doctor just prescribed ozempic for me I’m starting it next week I’m not on a insulin pump I just take my insulin by pen injections I’m a little scared about this new med because some people say bad things about it this is all new to me I’m starting on a low dosage for 4 weeks then I guess it goes up ??? Or in type 1 does the dosage stay low not much out there for us to read hum any advice would be appreciated thanks
Hi Lisa,
I would encourage you that individuals all have differing needs and experiences. Also remember, typically those with bad experiences are very vocal, but those with good experiences don’t say much. So I recommend trying a medication to see if it’s a good fit for you and going based on your body’s needs. Dosage needs are also based on the individual. It is not based on diabetes type, or even really on body size gender etc. So work with your prescriber to find what works best for your body’s needs.
I have been a Type 1 Diabetic for 33+ years, I have been on a pump and CGMS for about 15 of those years. And I have been on Ozempic for a little over a year and a half. It has been an amazing wonder drug for me. I was previously taking about 80 units of insulin pre-ozempic, but now I average 40 units per day. My weight has been down between 40 and 60 pounds, my AIC for 6 quarters has been 5.4 or less (This is a normal AIC, which I never ever dreamed of being possible), and my LDL was 44 last time. I am thankful that my insurance has approved it, and that my Endo fights for me to have it. I do not understand why the FDA has not approved this for Type 1 diabetes, I don’t see the risk of DKA on Ozempic any more than just being a regular diabetic. After being on Ozempic for a year, that little knot in my stomach that kept me from eating too much, has gone away, and my weight has bounced up a little. But I am not sure how comfortable I would be taking Ozempic if I did not have good CGMS like Dexcom. There were a lot of pump changes throughout the process to manage the diet changes. And a good CGMS system helps you manage that.
Fantastic share T! Thanks! So glad you’ve had such great benefits. It’s high time the FDA take off it’s tunnel vision goggles and see people with type 1 diabetes as more than just people with type 1, but PEOPLE with a wide physiology need and also type 1! And prioritize our needs over the legal protection of the pharmaceuticals companies.
Working with a diabetes team to adjust dosage is critical when starting these medications. And they should be viewed as a supplement for a hormone imbalance not a “weight loss med” as we do see weight loss return after they are stopped.
Also if you are seeing weight increase and benefits wain you may need a little dosage increase. We often see that over time.
I was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes 20 years ago. Ozempic changed everything for me. Less insulin needs, well-controlled blood pressure, weight, and cholesterol. My A1c has been under 6 for 2 years. As of July 1st, 2023, my insurance stopped covering it because it is not indicated for type 1. I am devastated.
UCH this insurance coverage issue has been rough for a LOT of people. Having your prescriber really champion for you , do the appeals, sending the clinical proof of benefit to the insurance company and demand to speak with the clinical decision maker who has decided that you personally can not have that medication can all help to get your coverage back. You can also try switching to a GLP-1 class medication that has a better tier of coverage on yur formulary that your insurance is more likely to coverage. peersons with a BMI over 27 can also have their prescriber write their prescription for a GLP1 for a diagnosis of overweight or for weight loss not for diabetes at all.
I have LADA, diagnosed 7 years ago, misdiagnosed initially and corrected 5 years ago. I have been on Ozempic the last 3 years. It’s been a game changer. This year I had to switch insurance companies and now they won’t approve it. With the prior authorization by the endo and even the request that I stay on my current therapies they have denied. I am now on the 4th stage of appeals. I can’t afford it out of pocket.
This really stinks Eric!
you can start by looking at your formulary for what SGLT2 medication they WILL approve, Victoza, Byeta, Wygovi, monjarou or others may not be a 1:1 switch but can have a lot of the same benefits.
You can also apply for a patient assistance program (If you’re not on medicare) and get a reduced or even no cost medication savings card for up to a year. Finally you can look into Canadian pharmacy options that can reduce out of pocket costs.
20 years ago I had a severe bout of pancreatitis. I exited the hospital a month later being diagnosed as a type one and pancreatic insufficiency. I use a pump and a continuous blood glucose monitor. Would I be a candidate for trying this or no because of the previous pancreatitis?
HI Shana,
it would really be a discussion to have between yourself and your prescriber. Generally history of pancreatitis would be a contraindication, but depending on the cause of your pancreatitis and risk of recurrence a trial with close observation for symptoms may be an acceptable risk, particularly because one of the highest risk problems with acute pancreatitis is that you could come away with diabetes. Well we already crossed that bridge!
I am T1 for over 30 years. My last A1C was 6.9 but my best one will be more like 5.9 due to better closed loop control and better diet. I am 147 lbs and 5’8”.
I have a poor cardiac calcium score and a family history of heart disease. I asked my doctor for an RX saying I wanted the 26% lower risk of cardiac events and I said it would lower my A1c. I don’t need to lose weight, but losing 6lbs would be ok.
I just read that it lowers A1c by stimulating insulin production so it doesn’t work for T1D. Perhaps the slower digestion would help reduce spikes that could also further lower my A1c?
My insurance will probably deny coverage of his RX and I can’t have him diagnose me with obesity. Which other GLP1 should I ask my doctor about and check insurance coverage that might slow digestion to reduce spikes and also help reduce cardiac events?
at this time we don’t have any GLP1s that carry a stand alone cardiac indication in the US
your prescriber could try an appeal siting indications in Europe for GLP1s and SGLT2s for adults with DM and high cardiac risk profiles. You can also try for the GLP1 with the best coverage on your insurance formulary as these are easier to get coverage for than higher tier medications.
I was approved by my doc to use ozempic for my type 1 diabetes so I could lose weight caused by insulin for tighter control and to lower A1c. (I was steady at 7.3 for years). Insurance would not approve it so I could not get it. I now go to a wellness center for a compounded version of semaglutide and I have been seeing INCREDIBLE results. My A1c is now around 5.8. I have less than 1% of low blood sugars. I stay in range 93% of the time. And I have lost 17 lbs. all that I needed to lose. My cholesterol dropped 30 points. Triglycerides are finally normal. My endo is thrilled and said carry on… until I can get approved for ozempic. I will stay on this forever. I never have after meal spikes any more as long as I do extended bolus. This is a miracle drug for type 1’s!! I have less lows on the semaglutide than before. This NEEDS to be approved for us!
@Allison Jenkins, I am interested in learning more as well as finding a new endo, could you please email me at annie.richardsonmvs@gmail.com with more information and your endo’s information?
Thanks,
Annie
So happy to read your comment! But i want to ask you a question if you dont mind… do you have anykind of alteration in your eyes since you are taking ozempic? I have type 1 diabetes too and my biggest fear is the eyes.
(sorry about my english, im portuguese)
I am confused about the DKA concerns with Ozempic since DKA caused by lack of insulin? I am Type 1 or LADA (age 30 diagnosis at same time as breast cancer….immune precipitated?). Have been on insulin since for 39 years…..22 years on pump. DKA twice, years ago…..both related to pump mistakes…. I have much better control with pump and hence weight gain….. now increasing insulin resistance, constant hunger and ‘belly fat’. HCP prescribed ozempic two months ago, but I have been worrying and researching since and have not started yet. I already have serious heart issues and I am worried about possible heart palpitations or frightening bradycardia with vomiting…. Why would DKA be another concern as long as I continue on adjusted insulin dosing? Thanks for any help/thoughts.
The key DKA concern is that the first indicator of DKA is a rapid rise in blood sugar. but with use of a GLP medication the patient may not see that tell tail rise as expected.
Also if someone is suddenly significantly reducing carbohydrate intake their insulin levels could swiftly reduce to a level that increases their DKA risk, if nausea adds to this a patient may stop their insulin dosage for fear of having a severe low. It is important to not reduce insulin by more than 30% of normal without consulting your physician to be sure that your DKA risk has not increased.
GLP1 medications can have a lot of cardiac benefits, but the nausea side effects could be of special concern for you to discuss with your prescriber.
I am a Type 1 diabetic and tested that my pancreas does not produce any insulin. I have been taking insulin for 34 years now and was curious to hear if Ozempic could be used for Type 1 DM. Thanks for your input.
Ozempic can be used off label for people with diabetes, we don’t get the insulin stimulation, but we can benefit from reduced hepatic glucose output and the digestive effects of the medication.
I have tried the ozempic and it works so well for me, It has lowered my A1C and i have lost weight, but due to guidelines put out there for type 1 diabetes, my insurance will not approve. I was on my husbands and he lost his job but his insurance paid. So now I am back to my sugar staying up around 180-240. I hate that insurance companies get to decide what is best for you!
if you can ask your doctor to prescribe it with a diagnosis code for obesity not for diabetes it (Or another GLP1) may get approved.
How do I go about finding an endo that will prescribe this off label for me. My current one will not and I’m not sure if anyone in my healthcare system will do this. I’d love to try it. The NP I see thinks it would good for me to try but she works under my doc how won’t let her prescribe it. My NP is even on it herself… it is so frustrating to not be able to advocate for myself. Where would we be in medicine if we didn’t use meds off label? So many drugs are used in many different ways from their original use
Hi Erica, First I recommend talking with your doctor about their specific reasons for not ordering this medication for you specifically. They may have good reasons that this medication is not a good fit. But if the NP thinks it is, they may just not be bothered with off label prescribing paperwork. unfortunately, at this point we just have to go “doctor shopping” when our prescribers are not on board. setting up a new patient appointment, asking around to others in your area who have more open minded doctors. You can also try your PCP or other specialists about prescribing a GLP1 as a weight loss medication, not even for your diabetes.
I am type 1 for 7 years diagnosed at age 57. I wear a Medtronic’s pump and sensor (a story in itself). I asked my dr about ozempic because I have had such a hard time losing any weight since diagnosis. I’m on my 3rd week. I’ve lost some weight but the side effects are horrible. 0 appetite for 3-4 days, heartburn and exhausted. I have to decide by Friday (next injection) whether to continue. Just not sure it is worth it. All of diabetes suck!
Ozempic is not right for everyone, sounds like your dose is definitely too high. You can bolus to the doses in between those marked on the Ozempic pen. You also might benefit from a different GLP1 like Victoza.
Hi Marcy,
Thanks for sharing. I am a TYPE 1 diabetic for 24 years and use the medtronic pump and sensor as well. I have read that this medication is only for Type 2 diabetics. Have your blood sugars improved? I am sorry to hear of all of your side effects.
Did you continue with the Ozempic or not. I’m afraid of the side effects too. Afraid for my kidneys. Hopefully it will help me, I think I’m going to try it.
Ozempic has actually been shown to have benefits on kidney function.
You can definitely be type 1 and type 2 at the same time. Type2 is insulin resistance. And I know everyone can have varying amounts of insulin resistance but it’s not the same thing. When my sugar is high my resistance is higher.
I am type 1 I use about 55 units of insulin per day by pump. 30 basal 25 bolus. But when I’m sick or my sugar is high, I can use up 80 in one day.
To know if you are type2 there is a simple calculation. You should be using 0.5 to 0.8 units of insulin per kilogram of weight per day. If you are using more than that , you are likely insulin resistant and type 2, weather or not you are also type 1. It’s not so easy to calculate for someone who is just type2, but the numbers correlate to c peptide results, so you can see it in those results, which is how most type 2 are diagnosed
I weigh 90 kilos so I’m 198 lbs at 6’3 I’m high end of normal weight. I should be using 45-70 units per day according to this formula. Since I’m using 55, I’m generally not considered insulin resistant.
So if I was consistently in the 80 units per day range, I could make a case to get ozempic . If you are out of range I think think your doctor will at least consider trying Ozempic
Spot on Tim, there is no line between types 1 and 2 (no matter what insurance companies try to impose) these medications can be super helpful for many who’s “diagnosis” may not be as simple as the paperwork makes it look.
Misdiagnosed as a Type 2 and given Ozempic. I only needed 10u of Lantus and would bolus 1u:30g. Blood work came back with a new endocrinologist and I’m T1/LADA and now insurance will not cover Ozempic. Switched to an insulin pump and taking 30-35u basal and my insulin to carb ratio went from 1u:30g to 1u:15g with exercise and 1:9 without exercising.
Never experienced DKA/HHS while doing MDI with Ozempic. I have gone into DKA with insulin pump, but insurance and shipping delays led to insecurity with an insulin pod and expired Lantus from pre-pump era didn’t save me.
Side effects of Ozempic seemed no different than side effects of insulin usage after the first 4 days. However, Ozempic greatly reduced desire to eat and enable a consistent MDI schedule which greatly improved my A1C.
I honestly liked being diagnosed as T2 for access to Ozempic. An insulin pump is nice, but I really dislike the constant hunger and increased insulin demands.
I’m with you Jonathan,
the arbitrary determinations of insurance companies should never be allowed to override the doctor’s authority and prescribing choices.
Your doctor can do an appeal to get Ozempic (Or another GLP1 covered)
I had my first appt with a new endo 3 weeks ago. Have been Type 1 for 24 years. Was having to use much more insulin in the last couple of years and having all kinds of issues with highs late hours after my last meal. The Dr gave me a sample of Ozempic and I’ve been taking it since. I have greatly reduced my insulin and my blood sugars are almost always perfect with an occasional high but nothing like my highs before. I haven’t seen anything over 200 since I started this medicine. I also have complexly lost my appetite and have to force myself to eat just to not feel weak. The first couple of weeks I had lots of lows so I didn’t lose any weight but since reducing my insulin and getting the dose right I have lost at least 5 pounds. I do have headaches, nausea, heartburn and dizziness. Those symptoms are getting a little better. I have read that if you give the shot in your stomach the nausea is worse and that is where I was getting it. I have no idea if my insurance will cover this but i will take it if they do.
Thanks so much for sharing your experience Alisha
if insurance doesn’t cover it well ask what other GLP1 medications are on their formulary, they usually have a preferred brand that will be cheaper, then reach out tot he prescriber for a discount card to get the price down more.
Where do you give yourself your Ozempic shot?
We can use any subcutaneous fat layer with more than 6 mm of fat, just remember to keep it spaced at least 2 inches from any insulin injection site used that day or from your infusion set or CGM.
There has been some data showing improved effect of GLP-1 medications like Ozempic and reduced side effects when injected in the abdominal fat layer. But it also depends on how well injections absorb in the abdomen (Since many of we long time insulin users have accumulated more scar tissue on our abdomens from less than stellar rotation habits in the past)
Hi all my fellow type 1 diabetes
sufferers. I have wonderful news. I am 32 year old female no children I have type 1 since age 16 insulin dependent can not afford a pump, I have graves disease, hyperthyroidism and polycystic ovarian syndrome. I have been about 25 kilos over weight my entire life, constantly struggled with diabulimia and losing weight. I gave up 2 years ago and at my heaviest this year I was 84 kilos. My endo decided to put me on ozempic. I have been using it once a week for two months and I have lost a total of 13 kilos. I now weigh 70 kilos and my goal weight is not far.Type 1 this is VERY safe to use under the supervision of an endo.
DO IT
IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE
Thanks for sharing your experience Jaxon.
Just a note to please take care for comments online to not sound like you’re giving medical advice because while GLP1s can be hugely beneficial for some, they’re not the right fit for everyone.
but definitely work with your providers!
Alicia could you Please clarify something – if its not approved cor type one then what good will it do to discuss this with my Doctor? To be clear i am a tyoe 1. Is there still an option for my Doctor to prescribe it?
HI Danny,
yes, doctors can do what is called “off label prescribing” it may require a prior authorization to get insurance to approve it, but they can still write the Rx
I happen to be Type 1.5, or “double diabetic”, myself. I am Type 1 insulin dependent, diagnosed at 24. However, I am also severely insulin resistant with the metabolic syndrome of most Type 2’s. There really is no black & white with diabetes as was believed for so long. For instance, steroids will raise blood sugar, so most doctors try not to use them on diabetics if they can help it. For myself, however, my blood sugar runs low for the week I’m on a steroid dose pack. My doctor claims I’m her troublemaker problem patient because my diabetes is unpredictable and doesn’t usually follow the “norm”.
HI Jenny, I say the “norm” is over rated :)
most of us really live somewhere between “pure” type 1 and “pure” type 2. there are people with type 1 who have insulin resistance of all degrees, and there are people with type 2 who have impaired pancreatic functioning for any number of reasons. The only difference in diagnosis really is the presence of antibodies, but the treatment and how we live with it is as individual as the people themselves! NO Problem patients, just people who live a little farther outside of the “box” than others!
The sentence about falling on the spectrum of type 1 is offensive. If you knew anything about type 1 and type 2 you should know they are similar but different. You should never say you are a type 1 that had type 2 features. There is no you have type 1 with type 2 features. It’s called having diabetes. Type 1 and type 2 are very similar in the way they can act. For example type 2s are not the only ones who are insulin resistant that’s everyone. I’m a type 1 and don’t buy into this article because I have Diabetes. I know I’m type 1 and nothing else. I know others who have type 2 and taking care of themselves might be different but they are still managing a different form of diabetes. So ignorant.
Actually Kyle as both a person with diabetes and a clinician I have to disagree entirely. However because I disagree from a clinical as well as psycho social point of view I will not assume you are ignorant, simply approaching the topic from a very different view point. There are dozens of different causes, forms and variations of diabetes (that we even know of) and a lot of different ways of identifying, nd referring to places of overlap.
Type 1 or Type 2 is more to do with the primary causing element, not the active treatment. As an example, a T2 could be entirely insulin dependent in the same manner as a T1. Additionally, insulin resistance (a primary feature of T2) can be observed in T1 patients. Additionally, there are more types of diabetes than T1 and T2: GI, LADA, MODY, T3c, etc. Diabetes is complicated.